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		<title>By: Michael Cooley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Cooley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 02:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

Scenario #13 got my attention.  It&#039;s working like some sort of Rorschach test.  The man, or young man, who at a support group meeting begins to talk about the lack of change in his sexual desires.  What might he be thinking as he drives home?  My answer is semi-autobiographical.

FIRST THOUGHTS:

My tears won&#039;t be wasted if I cry about this.  The group leader may as well have said:  brace yourself, coming out of homosexuality is the battle of a lifetime!  The group seemed rather silent.  Is the topic off-limits?

SECOND THOUGHTS:

Clearly, not everybody changes.  There appears to be a full spectrum of changes.  Some make great strides.  Some don&#039;t.  Some get married.  Some don&#039;t.  What if the group leader is trying to give me too much hope?

THIRD THOUGHTS:

Maybe some in the gay community are right when they say that change is impossible.  Given my lack of change after three years, shouldn&#039;t I begin to question all the anecdotal evidence or what may prove harmful or a waste of time for me?  Maybe I should try reparative therapy.  Plus, what does the APA say?  I need a drink.  No, I don&#039;t.

FOURTH THOUGHTS:

Maybe I should just accept as fact that I was born gay.  Really come out of the closet.  Join a gay church.  No, I&#039;m already Episcopalian.  I had plenty of opportunities to embrace gay theology.  I seem to be inoculated against it.  Who invented the LGBT labels anyway?

FIFTH THOUGHTS:

But maybe it won&#039;t be so bad.  I know about the theology of the Cross.  You take up your cross and you follow Christ no matter what.  I think I can do that.  Or maybe it will be bad.  Homosexuality seems such an all-encompassing cross.  Either way, I have to take it up.

SIXTH THOUGHTS:

And there is St. Paul&#039;s example.  His thorn in the flesh.  He prayed three times for healing.  God didn&#039;t remove it.  God said in reply the astonishing words:  &quot;My grace is sufficient for you.&quot;

SEVENTH THOUGHTS:

My prayer, Lord, is that you help me to try to change.  And if, for whatever reason, I don&#039;t change, I will still love you.  I will love you forever.

In Christ,
Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>Scenario #13 got my attention.  It&#8217;s working like some sort of Rorschach test.  The man, or young man, who at a support group meeting begins to talk about the lack of change in his sexual desires.  What might he be thinking as he drives home?  My answer is semi-autobiographical.</p>
<p>FIRST THOUGHTS:</p>
<p>My tears won&#8217;t be wasted if I cry about this.  The group leader may as well have said:  brace yourself, coming out of homosexuality is the battle of a lifetime!  The group seemed rather silent.  Is the topic off-limits?</p>
<p>SECOND THOUGHTS:</p>
<p>Clearly, not everybody changes.  There appears to be a full spectrum of changes.  Some make great strides.  Some don&#8217;t.  Some get married.  Some don&#8217;t.  What if the group leader is trying to give me too much hope?</p>
<p>THIRD THOUGHTS:</p>
<p>Maybe some in the gay community are right when they say that change is impossible.  Given my lack of change after three years, shouldn&#8217;t I begin to question all the anecdotal evidence or what may prove harmful or a waste of time for me?  Maybe I should try reparative therapy.  Plus, what does the APA say?  I need a drink.  No, I don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>FOURTH THOUGHTS:</p>
<p>Maybe I should just accept as fact that I was born gay.  Really come out of the closet.  Join a gay church.  No, I&#8217;m already Episcopalian.  I had plenty of opportunities to embrace gay theology.  I seem to be inoculated against it.  Who invented the LGBT labels anyway?</p>
<p>FIFTH THOUGHTS:</p>
<p>But maybe it won&#8217;t be so bad.  I know about the theology of the Cross.  You take up your cross and you follow Christ no matter what.  I think I can do that.  Or maybe it will be bad.  Homosexuality seems such an all-encompassing cross.  Either way, I have to take it up.</p>
<p>SIXTH THOUGHTS:</p>
<p>And there is St. Paul&#8217;s example.  His thorn in the flesh.  He prayed three times for healing.  God didn&#8217;t remove it.  God said in reply the astonishing words:  &#8220;My grace is sufficient for you.&#8221;</p>
<p>SEVENTH THOUGHTS:</p>
<p>My prayer, Lord, is that you help me to try to change.  And if, for whatever reason, I don&#8217;t change, I will still love you.  I will love you forever.</p>
<p>In Christ,<br />
Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.gracerivers.com/questions/comment-page-1/#comment-29450</link>
		<dc:creator>Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 12:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, I don´t believe that a person that trully had a encounter with the Lord would be a accouser of those who live in the life style, even though if he or she proclaim themselves as a cristian. But as a gay person I don´t believe that to preach in favor the gay lifestyle is the same thing to preach in favor of love of God. It is different thing. There is a thin line there. I ask God everyday to not lead my heart in to self petty to allow me to decide on my heart to go back to the life style and live a active gay life again. But I run from the preaching that say to me, Wilson it is ok to be gay and live in the lifestyle. As I said, I believe that in order to preach the love of God I don´t need to go against the gay lifestyle neither go in favor of it. Preach the love of God, the rest is a Holy Spirit job to convence the chosen ones what they may do with their life. Love you and Villen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, I don´t believe that a person that trully had a encounter with the Lord would be a accouser of those who live in the life style, even though if he or she proclaim themselves as a cristian. But as a gay person I don´t believe that to preach in favor the gay lifestyle is the same thing to preach in favor of love of God. It is different thing. There is a thin line there. I ask God everyday to not lead my heart in to self petty to allow me to decide on my heart to go back to the life style and live a active gay life again. But I run from the preaching that say to me, Wilson it is ok to be gay and live in the lifestyle. As I said, I believe that in order to preach the love of God I don´t need to go against the gay lifestyle neither go in favor of it. Preach the love of God, the rest is a Holy Spirit job to convence the chosen ones what they may do with their life. Love you and Villen.</p>
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