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		<title>By: Jared Phillips</title>
		<link>http://www.gracerivers.com/gays-repent/comment-page-1/#comment-31902</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 18:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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The video gives a clear message and shows the love that Christ gives, but also shows what God&#039;s heart is for homosexuality. God deems it as sin just like the sins I have committed, but just watch.</description>
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<p>The video gives a clear message and shows the love that Christ gives, but also shows what God&#8217;s heart is for homosexuality. God deems it as sin just like the sins I have committed, but just watch.</p>
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		<title>By: California bans conversion therapy for kids &#124; PsychotherapySphere</title>
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		<dc:creator>California bans conversion therapy for kids &#124; PsychotherapySphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 02:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Rev. John Smid, who spent more than 22 years with another ex-gay ministry, Love in Action, admitted, &#8220;Actually I&#8217;ve never met a man who experienced a change from homosexual to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: California is First to Protect Gay Minors from Antigay “Therapy” — The Good Men Project</title>
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		<dc:creator>California is First to Protect Gay Minors from Antigay “Therapy” — The Good Men Project</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 18:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] community has admitted that it is not possible to &#8220;treat&#8221; homosexuality. John Smid, an &#8220;ex-gay&#8221; who used to run Love in Action, a fundamentalist Christian program that claimed homosexuality was a curable addictive behavior, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Six Things Straight People Should Stop Saying about Gay People &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Six Things Straight People Should Stop Saying about Gay People &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 22:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] leaders of Exodus and other “help-fix-me-I-am-gay” programs are now admitting they NEVER saw one change in the orientation of clients in decades of work. Although well-intended, ex-gay programs have been [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John Smid</title>
		<link>http://www.gracerivers.com/gays-repent/comment-page-1/#comment-31651</link>
		<dc:creator>John Smid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 22:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie,
Thank you for taking the time to write this lengthy comment. It tells me you have a vested interest in how you believe, and how much you love people and care for them spiritually. This is a marvelous intention.

However, I disagree with you on the interpretation of the Scriptures that warn us of temple shrine prostitution, sexual rape, man - boy sex slaves, and Canaanite sex worship of Baals and sexual idols.  I do not find anywhere in our modern bibles that through study of culture, original language, context, and within the big story, that God forbids same sex loving, faithful, and God centered relationships.  Frankly, it just isn&#039;t there.

On another note, you referred to First Corinthians chapter six.  In those very same verses, it also refers to greed.  Not just wanting a new car, but habitual greed that occurs in the life of the unrighteous. (non believers, which is also who is being referred to as it speaks to man-boy sex slaves and temple shrine prostitutes as was common in the day). I say unrighteous because Paul says this &quot;But of the unrighteous, I say this.&quot;

In our country, one of the most common unrepentant behaviors and attitudes is blatant, greed. What should we say then, about the greedy? Well, frankly, this particular passage is not, no NOT, speaking about habitual behavior at its core, it is addressing the Christians in Corinth and Paul is exhorting them to know who they are in Christ, washed, saved, born again believers!  Not sinners! He reminds them twice to celebrate and live in the freedom that Christ brought to them.

He is attempting to help them to celebrate the forgiveness and new life they have in Christ. Therefore, the context of this passage is not designed to point out sin in believers, or sin in non believers. It is focused on an encouragement to move on from holding to an old identity as a wicked person (meaning unrighteous, or non saved).

I must also disagree with you about the focus sin has in the life of humanity. It is not due to someone not repenting of &quot;a sinful pattern&quot; that causes us to miss God&#039;s amazing and wonderful new life. But rather it is due to someone &quot;grieving the Holy Spirit&#039;s&quot; offer of salvation, redemption, and grace for all sin!

Therefore, most of American Christians (and non American ones) are living in one sort of unrepentant ongoing sin or another. I hope you agree with me on that, because if you don&#039;t, then I wonder if you or others truly recognize what being a human Christian truly is!  None of has reached that kind of perfection, nor personal holiness.

Sadly, the interpretation of the seven passages of Scripture that are believed to speak to ANY form of save sex behavior have many interpretations and scholars all over the world disagree on what they actually mean or say. This tells me that to a large degree, the jury is out on this matter. Therefore, I strongly believe it is something that must be left to the individual&#039;s walk with Christ and their individual conviction on the matter.

I know many true to life believers in Christ who are in same sex relationships that put many other Christians to shame due to their commitment to Him, and their love and grace for others, as Jesus preached, Love Him, and Love others as we love ourselves. I think this would be a far better rule of thumb to judge by than whether or not they are in a faithful same sex relationship.

Paul does go on to exhort us about being the temple of the Holy Spirit and that with our bodies, we should not be careless with our sexuality. I am not promoting a permissive Christianity here. I disagree with same sex relationships being forbidden since the Bible seems to be unclear on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie,<br />
Thank you for taking the time to write this lengthy comment. It tells me you have a vested interest in how you believe, and how much you love people and care for them spiritually. This is a marvelous intention.</p>
<p>However, I disagree with you on the interpretation of the Scriptures that warn us of temple shrine prostitution, sexual rape, man &#8211; boy sex slaves, and Canaanite sex worship of Baals and sexual idols.  I do not find anywhere in our modern bibles that through study of culture, original language, context, and within the big story, that God forbids same sex loving, faithful, and God centered relationships.  Frankly, it just isn&#8217;t there.</p>
<p>On another note, you referred to First Corinthians chapter six.  In those very same verses, it also refers to greed.  Not just wanting a new car, but habitual greed that occurs in the life of the unrighteous. (non believers, which is also who is being referred to as it speaks to man-boy sex slaves and temple shrine prostitutes as was common in the day). I say unrighteous because Paul says this &#8220;But of the unrighteous, I say this.&#8221;</p>
<p>In our country, one of the most common unrepentant behaviors and attitudes is blatant, greed. What should we say then, about the greedy? Well, frankly, this particular passage is not, no NOT, speaking about habitual behavior at its core, it is addressing the Christians in Corinth and Paul is exhorting them to know who they are in Christ, washed, saved, born again believers!  Not sinners! He reminds them twice to celebrate and live in the freedom that Christ brought to them.</p>
<p>He is attempting to help them to celebrate the forgiveness and new life they have in Christ. Therefore, the context of this passage is not designed to point out sin in believers, or sin in non believers. It is focused on an encouragement to move on from holding to an old identity as a wicked person (meaning unrighteous, or non saved).</p>
<p>I must also disagree with you about the focus sin has in the life of humanity. It is not due to someone not repenting of &#8220;a sinful pattern&#8221; that causes us to miss God&#8217;s amazing and wonderful new life. But rather it is due to someone &#8220;grieving the Holy Spirit&#8217;s&#8221; offer of salvation, redemption, and grace for all sin!</p>
<p>Therefore, most of American Christians (and non American ones) are living in one sort of unrepentant ongoing sin or another. I hope you agree with me on that, because if you don&#8217;t, then I wonder if you or others truly recognize what being a human Christian truly is!  None of has reached that kind of perfection, nor personal holiness.</p>
<p>Sadly, the interpretation of the seven passages of Scripture that are believed to speak to ANY form of save sex behavior have many interpretations and scholars all over the world disagree on what they actually mean or say. This tells me that to a large degree, the jury is out on this matter. Therefore, I strongly believe it is something that must be left to the individual&#8217;s walk with Christ and their individual conviction on the matter.</p>
<p>I know many true to life believers in Christ who are in same sex relationships that put many other Christians to shame due to their commitment to Him, and their love and grace for others, as Jesus preached, Love Him, and Love others as we love ourselves. I think this would be a far better rule of thumb to judge by than whether or not they are in a faithful same sex relationship.</p>
<p>Paul does go on to exhort us about being the temple of the Holy Spirit and that with our bodies, we should not be careless with our sexuality. I am not promoting a permissive Christianity here. I disagree with same sex relationships being forbidden since the Bible seems to be unclear on this.</p>
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		<title>By: charlieparish6@hotmail.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear sir,

I am a Christ follower. And I speak to you not as a represenative of my own preferences, but I stand on the word of God. I mean this to be taken in the spirit of Christ&#039;s love.

God was very specific throughout scripture on the fact that homosexuality was indeed considered a sin. In 1 Corinthians 6:9, he speaks of damnable sins that will encure Gods wrath upon them and deny them eternal life in Heaven. Sin is beautiful and addictive. Its pleasurable. But it is also deadly.

Homosexuality is a temptation for many, but it is not a beautiful trait that God blesses some people with. The Bible tells us that we will never face a temptation so overwhelming that we cannot emerge as victors with Christ. 
Christ says that those who live a homosexual lifestyle will not inherit Gods kingdom. If they repent from this lifestyle, then they will be saved. But to remain in it while claiming that Christ deems this behavior acceptable is damning.

Imagine a person who is addicted to cocaine. This person goes to his doctor and the doctor tells him that unless he turns from this forbidden drug, he will lose his life.

Do you think an acception is going to be made if this addict says, &quot;Well from birth I had this craving for drugs. And because I love them so, I believe that I will live a healthy life.&quot;

The addict can convince himself of anything he likes, but that doesnt change the truth of the matter. The expert in health said that he would die with continued use. 

God is the expert in our lives. And he has said this lifestyle will lead to the second death in seperation from God eternally. Homosexuals can twist scriptures and convince themselves of whatever makes them feel better, but that doesnt change the fact that God has forwarned them that it will lead to their spiritual death.

If you are dealing with this sin in your life there is still time to repent and turn to Christ. You speak of change. The apostle Paul was a murder. When he met Christ, he repented and changed. His change was radical. Do you believe that he could have claimed to be changed in Christ and still kept murdering people? By no means!

Again I speak this out of love that I want no one to perish in their sins or be decieved by Satans lies. Turn from the lies and find the truth. We all fall short. And all christians sin. But a Christian cannot willingly choose a lifestyle of sin and live in it all the days of their lives! If we justify sin, then we reject Christ. Jesus said you cannot love the world and him. He said you will hate one and love the other. The church in Laodicia in Revelation was called Lukewarm because their mixed the things of the world in with Their version of Christianity to fit their lusts. God said I would rather spit you out of my mouth!

Seek Christ with all your heart. Search the scriptures for truth. And die to lusts of the flesh. God bless you all. Glory be to Jesus Christ our Lord. Thanks for allowing me to share.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear sir,</p>
<p>I am a Christ follower. And I speak to you not as a represenative of my own preferences, but I stand on the word of God. I mean this to be taken in the spirit of Christ&#8217;s love.</p>
<p>God was very specific throughout scripture on the fact that homosexuality was indeed considered a sin. In 1 Corinthians 6:9, he speaks of damnable sins that will encure Gods wrath upon them and deny them eternal life in Heaven. Sin is beautiful and addictive. Its pleasurable. But it is also deadly.</p>
<p>Homosexuality is a temptation for many, but it is not a beautiful trait that God blesses some people with. The Bible tells us that we will never face a temptation so overwhelming that we cannot emerge as victors with Christ.<br />
Christ says that those who live a homosexual lifestyle will not inherit Gods kingdom. If they repent from this lifestyle, then they will be saved. But to remain in it while claiming that Christ deems this behavior acceptable is damning.</p>
<p>Imagine a person who is addicted to cocaine. This person goes to his doctor and the doctor tells him that unless he turns from this forbidden drug, he will lose his life.</p>
<p>Do you think an acception is going to be made if this addict says, &#8220;Well from birth I had this craving for drugs. And because I love them so, I believe that I will live a healthy life.&#8221;</p>
<p>The addict can convince himself of anything he likes, but that doesnt change the truth of the matter. The expert in health said that he would die with continued use. </p>
<p>God is the expert in our lives. And he has said this lifestyle will lead to the second death in seperation from God eternally. Homosexuals can twist scriptures and convince themselves of whatever makes them feel better, but that doesnt change the fact that God has forwarned them that it will lead to their spiritual death.</p>
<p>If you are dealing with this sin in your life there is still time to repent and turn to Christ. You speak of change. The apostle Paul was a murder. When he met Christ, he repented and changed. His change was radical. Do you believe that he could have claimed to be changed in Christ and still kept murdering people? By no means!</p>
<p>Again I speak this out of love that I want no one to perish in their sins or be decieved by Satans lies. Turn from the lies and find the truth. We all fall short. And all christians sin. But a Christian cannot willingly choose a lifestyle of sin and live in it all the days of their lives! If we justify sin, then we reject Christ. Jesus said you cannot love the world and him. He said you will hate one and love the other. The church in Laodicia in Revelation was called Lukewarm because their mixed the things of the world in with Their version of Christianity to fit their lusts. God said I would rather spit you out of my mouth!</p>
<p>Seek Christ with all your heart. Search the scriptures for truth. And die to lusts of the flesh. God bless you all. Glory be to Jesus Christ our Lord. Thanks for allowing me to share.</p>
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		<title>By: Ash</title>
		<link>http://www.gracerivers.com/gays-repent/comment-page-1/#comment-31295</link>
		<dc:creator>Ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 22:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Leviticus chapter 18v22 (You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination) it tell us how homosexuality is an abomination to God so alot of christians today us this to condemn homosexuals, but in the same book 18v27,28,29 and 30 tell us how not just homosexuality is an abomination but also adultery, witch we are all guilty of Christian or not, so no one at all on this earth has a right to judge anyone ( &quot;Judge not, that you be not judged. &quot;for with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.) Matt 7v1,2 because we have all sinned. ( For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.) Romans 3v23. so put yourself in there place and think of your own sins because Christ came to save sinners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Leviticus chapter 18v22 (You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination) it tell us how homosexuality is an abomination to God so alot of christians today us this to condemn homosexuals, but in the same book 18v27,28,29 and 30 tell us how not just homosexuality is an abomination but also adultery, witch we are all guilty of Christian or not, so no one at all on this earth has a right to judge anyone ( &#8220;Judge not, that you be not judged. &#8220;for with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.) Matt 7v1,2 because we have all sinned. ( For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.) Romans 3v23. so put yourself in there place and think of your own sins because Christ came to save sinners.</p>
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		<title>By: Duh hey2</title>
		<link>http://www.gracerivers.com/gays-repent/comment-page-1/#comment-31223</link>
		<dc:creator>Duh hey2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2012 05:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t have put it quite like that, but I think duh hey is onto something. This isn&#039;t a time to start another ministry, John. Especially considering how deceived you realized you were the first time... Perhaps humility is the real lesson here. Those who teach (you are) will be judged more strictly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t have put it quite like that, but I think duh hey is onto something. This isn&#8217;t a time to start another ministry, John. Especially considering how deceived you realized you were the first time&#8230; Perhaps humility is the real lesson here. Those who teach (you are) will be judged more strictly.</p>
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		<title>By: duh hey</title>
		<link>http://www.gracerivers.com/gays-repent/comment-page-1/#comment-30571</link>
		<dc:creator>duh hey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 02:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how can you minister to others when you are only now finally coming to grips with the lies and shame you have been telling and imposing on yourself for decades? cease your arrogance and just be quiet. learn something about life, recongnize your ignorance, and then ask yourself whether you have anything to add to these long-standing issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how can you minister to others when you are only now finally coming to grips with the lies and shame you have been telling and imposing on yourself for decades? cease your arrogance and just be quiet. learn something about life, recongnize your ignorance, and then ask yourself whether you have anything to add to these long-standing issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Yahada</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yahada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 01:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was beautiful John. Thank you so much for having the courage to say what you did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was beautiful John. Thank you so much for having the courage to say what you did.</p>
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